tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post22109219729744216..comments2024-03-17T18:32:30.926-07:00Comments on The GAME OVERTHINKER: Is This, At Last, The Bottom?MovieBobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00226832228090053258noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-4344264082958299492012-06-30T19:19:23.985-07:002012-06-30T19:19:23.985-07:00Reddit's really not that bad, bro.Reddit's really not that bad, bro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-40504158626489454752012-03-15T04:58:05.797-07:002012-03-15T04:58:05.797-07:00Bob better hope he never sees the new /r9k/...
I ...Bob better hope he never sees the new /r9k/...<br /><br />I don't understand this kind of moralistic condemnation. People only have these kinds of prejudices because of a lack of control over their own feelings; when the choice is obvious, people don't choose to hate on another. However, criticism like this(saying it's "NOT OKAY") is just an attempt to manipulate the emotions of the target nto being more negative, which is exactly what won't change peoples' thinking.Zenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-43160171059190669132012-03-08T15:05:22.272-08:002012-03-08T15:05:22.272-08:00I mostly agree with Not Okay.
However, Bob is sti...I mostly agree with <i>Not Okay</i>.<br /><br />However, Bob is still a fucking idiot for this article. The differences are subtle, but enough to completely change my opinion on the subject. Let me enumerate.<br /><br /><b>1. There should be places where misogynists can gather and freely share their opinions.</b><br /><br />I don't like it, and I wouldn't ever go to any such place, but the fact remains that preventing them from doing so would infringe on their human rights, not first-amendment rights, to free speech, assembly, and thought.<br /><br />Similarly, women should be free to go to such places, and misogynists should be free to verbally abuse them if they do. Going to a place where verbal abuse is allowed is implicitly agreeing to be verbally abused.<br /><br />Bob disagrees with me on this point, and I'd say he's completely wrong. That said:<br /><br /><b>2. Reasonable people are within their rights to fight against misogyny in the fighting game community and other such communities.</b><br /><br />The difference between StarCraft and the fighting game community is that they're different games. Aris is a fucking idiot for suggesting that misogyny is an integral part of the fighting game community.<br /><br />There's a number of people like Aris who are willing to fight for misogyny in the fighting game community, and there's people like Bob who are willing to fight against it. My money's on Bob, but here's the point: They're both well within their rights to do so, and whatever the outcome is, it will be just. If there's more misogynists in the fighting game community than people like Bob, then the fighting game community can, should, and rightfully will remain a place where misogyny is okay.<br /><br /><b>3. Kail's article isn't sexist unless you're a brainless fringe feminist.</b><br /><br />Sorry, Bob.Cacknernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-61582206169159469022012-03-06T22:27:09.347-08:002012-03-06T22:27:09.347-08:00Bob takes Aris on:
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...Bob takes Aris on:<br /><br />http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5436-Not-OkayScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-9055755286057459642012-03-05T18:07:31.926-08:002012-03-05T18:07:31.926-08:00yeah, that whole Cross Assault thing is...disturbi...yeah, that whole Cross Assault thing is...disturbing. If that's how that idiot acts in public I shudder to think what he's like in private.ScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-53510750456969692472012-03-05T12:03:55.005-08:002012-03-05T12:03:55.005-08:00The text and context of the article reads more of ...The text and context of the article reads more of a combination of casual misogyny and intentional taking the piss out of the stereotype gamer/geek than of just misogyny. <br /><br />Talking about one's "conquests" in combination with the presentation of one's self as very sterotypical fanboy is a take that to the geek stereotype, but then the clincher comes from the line about changing the decor to MLP:FiM to see how his girlfriend reacts, breaking the, to that point, existing veneer of stereotypical geekdom.<br /><br />As an aside as I was typing this I did a little digging from the linked article's links and found the author's blog. From reading some of his stuff there I feel confident he's just another douche trying to cash in on the heightened awareness of geek and gamer subcultures in the general populace and ultimately not worthy of the amount of commentary his "comedy" article has generated. <br /><br />IMO this space and Bob's time would have been better spent on the content and context of the misogyny on Cross Assault which is what I expected when I saw the headline on the blog and, while unfortunately not in and of itself the bottom, is an incident showing something a hell of a lot lower in gaming than this BS.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12437778145862712557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-15727774842134552882012-03-05T07:50:38.540-08:002012-03-05T07:50:38.540-08:00Funny, it seems more like THIS is the bottom to me...<a href="http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-passions-flare-lines-are-crossed-updated/4006/" rel="nofollow">Funny, it seems more like THIS is the bottom to me.</a>BPChttp://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-passions-flare-lines-are-crossed-updated/4006/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-32594215184417623282012-03-05T03:14:02.405-08:002012-03-05T03:14:02.405-08:00@Aiddon
@Aiddon
Your first sentence is a tautolo...@Aiddon<br /><br />@Aiddon<br /><br />Your first sentence is a tautology. You answered the question of "How is it sexist?" with "It's a sexist thing to do.". So it's sexist because it's sexist? Gotcha... :P<br /><br />Sex is a normal part of life, sure, but it's not like there's anything <i>wrong</i> about bragging about it. There's no reason for anyone to feel degraded by the fact that their partner is proud of their relatively normal act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-49324289130088820272012-03-04T10:21:19.491-08:002012-03-04T10:21:19.491-08:00because he's bragging about how he had sex wit...because he's bragging about how he had sex with a girl, which is a pretty pathetic, sexist thing to do. Really? Having sex is worth BRAGGING ABOUT???? Um....isn't that supposed to be, y'know, just a normal, everyday thing despite the fact that it's also considered very intimate? The only people who brag about boning are douchebag misogynists with poor self-esteem.ScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-35435738595631216692012-03-04T07:40:19.467-08:002012-03-04T07:40:19.467-08:00Bob, I generally agree with your opinions on gamer...Bob, I generally agree with your opinions on gamer culture and how shitty it is, but not only is this not "the bottom" (not even close, really), I don't even see how this is misogynist.<br /><br />Would you mind explaining how it's misogynist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-42946255951199756412012-03-02T21:30:07.423-08:002012-03-02T21:30:07.423-08:00I think about it this way: professional athletes a...I think about it this way: professional athletes are reprimanded for doing crap like that. There's a difference between trash-talk and just being a mean-spirited, ham-fisted, juvenile neanderthal (which unfortunately too much of the goddamn community is comprised of). Most of the crap you're probably thinking of is people just doing variations of jokes said by hack comedians like Jeff Dunham or Carlos Mencia or just yelling "Yer gey" over and over again. The excuse you bring is, like I said, no better than one a lunkhead uses to try and get away with a slur that angers people for good reason. Fuck verbal dick-measuring. It's a pathetic, ignorant practice that is better off getting put down like the rabid dog that it isScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-75528267703954782202012-03-01T17:44:44.437-08:002012-03-01T17:44:44.437-08:00speaking of that debacle, Shoryuken. com recently ...speaking of that debacle, Shoryuken. com recently put this up in lieu of that as well as some other developments:<br /><br />http://shoryuken.com/2012/03/01/hurtful-speech-time-to-take-a-good-look-in-the-mirror/<br /><br />The comments section makes my faith in the gaming community PLUMMET.ScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-40325423533093733102012-03-01T08:36:07.204-08:002012-03-01T08:36:07.204-08:00I guess Bob will be kinda pissed off if he heads o...I guess Bob will be kinda pissed off if he heads over to PA Report and reads about what happened on Cross Assault. Long story short, a female competitor deliberately threw a match because she was sick of all the sexual harassment she was being subjected to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-45088489369620296602012-02-29T12:51:21.338-08:002012-02-29T12:51:21.338-08:00-looks at Giant Bomb article- Urge to kill...SKYRO...-looks at Giant Bomb article- Urge to kill...SKYROCKETING. Wow, just, WOW. I can't believe that neanderthals like that still exist. And what's really sad is that incidents like it aren't exactly isolatedScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-48740227938525577652012-02-29T11:16:29.485-08:002012-02-29T11:16:29.485-08:00After reading the first paragraph I thought you we...After reading the first paragraph I thought you were referring to this: <br /><br />http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-passions-flare-lines-are-crossed-updated/4006/<br /><br />Kris Kail may be a total tool, but Bakhtanians...that guy REALLY is the worst of the worst. Hell, he even claims that sexual harassment is an integral part of the gaming community...WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-1502073508154135252012-02-28T17:13:42.917-08:002012-02-28T17:13:42.917-08:00"I also know from experience that college fem..."I also know from experience that college feminists would rather date and try and convert a handsome, yet misogynist quarterback to their cause than even talk to anybody that comes pre-equipped with a feminist outlook."<br /><br />You're right on the money. And if they ever succeed in converting him, mind you, they'll immediately lose interest. College feminists are only happy if they're in a relationship with a misogynist, trying to convert him, and failing. That alone speaks volumes about them.Cacknernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-88080578707062259572012-02-28T13:03:39.476-08:002012-02-28T13:03:39.476-08:00Saying "you shouldn't do this" and y...<i>Saying "you shouldn't do this" and you shouldn't have the right to do it, are different things. Nothing I've seen out of Bob indicates he's pro censorship</i><br /><br />His exact words were "there shouldn't be a place where it is okay to do that", and he even called it a <b>fact</b> to boot.<br /><br />This goes far beyond him saying "you're wrong." He is explicitly saying "You have no right to feel that way, express that opinion, or seek the company of others that feel that way."<br /><br />He didn't bring government into it, nor did I. That's beside the point. He feels that communities of people who disagree with his hardline feminism <b>should not exist</b> on moral grounds. That makes him no better than a religious zealot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-14838460553887750812012-02-28T12:53:20.206-08:002012-02-28T12:53:20.206-08:00I think the original Anonymous's comment is ri...I think the original Anonymous's comment is right on the money. In a previous episode Bob talks about how having access to books aimed at pre-teen girls helped him have increased sexual relations in high school.<br /><br />If you think even a little bit of that isn't at least beneath the surface of Bob's feminist white-knighting, then you're kidding yourself.<br /><br />I also know from experience that college feminists would rather date and try and convert a handsome, yet misogynist quarterback to their cause than even talk to anybody that comes pre-equipped with a feminist outlook.<br /><br />In response to the above comment, if a man is constantly spurned, mistreated, or abused by women, that's a psychological problem that he must deal with and get over, because sour feelings against women is not acceptable. ...But if a woman is constantly mistreated by men, welcome to the feminist sisterhood, your worldview will be validated and re-validated for eternity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-31423316799060240292012-02-28T12:52:19.083-08:002012-02-28T12:52:19.083-08:00"So you're in favor of suspending these p..."So you're in favor of suspending these people's basic human rights to free speech, free thought, and free assembly simply because you don't agree with their opinions?"<br /><br />Saying "you shouldn't do this" and you shouldn't have the right to do it, are different things. Nothing I've seen out of Bob indicates he's pro censorship<br /><br />"I guarantee you that not one of the people you're trying to reach sees anything even remotely wrong with the article you've posted, and raging about it only drives them away further."<br /><br />I can see problems with it, minor ones though. I don't see misogyny and it definitely isn't close to the bottom of the barrel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-42634469701023548372012-02-28T12:05:36.335-08:002012-02-28T12:05:36.335-08:00Sigh... Bob, your pieces on gender issues have bee...Sigh... Bob, your pieces on gender issues have been pretty reasonable up until this point, so this batshit hardline feminist horseshit coming from you is way out of left field. It absolutely changes the context of all of your other pieces on gender issues, though.<br /><br /><i>as though the fact that there shouldn't be a place where that's "okay" has NEVER occured to them</i><br /><br />So you're in favor of suspending these people's basic human rights to free speech, free thought, and free assembly simply because you don't agree with their opinions? Disgusting. You have gone full retard, Bob.<br /><br />The worst thing is that I know this was an attempt to proselytize. Your sanctimonious drive to fix things you perceive to be wrong with "gamer culture" (ugh) has been your schtick for a long time. Your previous pieces on the issue were successful, because they sounded moderate and reasonable. You threw that all away with this article. I guarantee you that not one of the people you're trying to reach sees anything even remotely wrong with the article you've posted, and raging about it only drives them away further. So, good job on that one, Bob.<br /><br />If a man has been constantly spurned by women, there's a pretty good chance he'll grow to hate them on some level. It may not be right, it may not be justified, but it's an unfortunate fact of life. Yelling at them on the internet isn't going to accomplish anything, especially when you're doing such a poor job of hiding your feminist power level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-68514109365123670592012-02-28T12:03:09.467-08:002012-02-28T12:03:09.467-08:00And besides he talks about what makes her great as...And besides he talks about what makes her great as a person, so yeah claims of degradation are shaky at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-57320579234840137822012-02-28T12:00:18.758-08:002012-02-28T12:00:18.758-08:00"And this article has that in SPADES by bragg..."And this article has that in SPADES by bragging about who he stuck his dick in."<br /><br />Bullshit, and this guy is bragging about where he had sex more than anything.<br /><br />Bragging about sex does not mean the other person is degraded. It does not treat people as an object.<br /><br />And I use the dictionary to define words, that's what it's there for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-4026575760697176292012-02-28T12:00:09.145-08:002012-02-28T12:00:09.145-08:00"And this article has that in SPADES by bragg..."And this article has that in SPADES by bragging about who he stuck his dick in."<br /><br />Bullshit, and this guy is bragging about where he had sex more than anything.<br /><br />Bragging about sex does not mean the other person is degraded. It does not treat people as an object.<br /><br />And I use the dictionary to define words, that's what it's there for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-45474206730319264282012-02-28T09:49:04.133-08:002012-02-28T09:49:04.133-08:00misogyny can also mean objectification/degradation...misogyny can also mean objectification/degradation of women. And this article has that in SPADES by bragging about who he stuck his dick in.<br /><br />if you're going to just copy something you took at face value from a fucking dictionary then don't you DARE claim degradation.ScrewAttackSamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00062574888317631429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6031707140462457270.post-15441384507743140802012-02-28T09:46:34.371-08:002012-02-28T09:46:34.371-08:00azetheros
"women are prizes to be won or cla...azetheros<br /><br />"women are prizes to be won or claimed"<br /><br />This is a stretch, all he did was talk about getting laid in a Sonic bed as a challenge, not getting a girl period.<br /><br />"After all, I'm sure that if you sit and think about it, you'll see quickly that thinking that sex is a competition and that women ought to be conquered is, if not itself violent, not far removed from thinking that, for instance, it's fine to "even the competition" by getting the woman drunk first, or by putting her in a compromising situation, or even by just plain raping her if she won't say yes."<br /><br />Spare us the slippery slope crap.<br /><br />"The fact that not all of us see that violence and sexism for what it is"<br /><br />You just said there was no violence in it, make up your mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com